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Tim Ferriss · 2024-04-08 · 2h 09m

Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85 & How to Pursue Your Purpose

Legendary actor Scott Glenn, 85, on building a 60-year career, marriage, and elite fitness through tenacity, presence, and apprenticeship.

Legendary Actor Scott Glenn — How to Be Super Fit at 85 & How to Pursue Your Purpose
The guest

Scott Glenn — Actor of nearly 60 years (Apocalypse Now, Urban Cowboy, The Right Stuff, The Silence of the Lambs, The Hunt for Red October, The Leftovers, Daredevil, The White Lotus), based in Idaho with no social media or website.

The gist

Tim Ferriss interviews actor Scott Glenn at his home in Idaho, calling him a rare example of someone who has checked career, fitness, and relationships across 50-plus years. Glenn recounts how a near-fatal childhood case of scarlet fever steered him toward imagination, athleticism, and eventually acting, and how he left a souring LA career to apprentice as a backcountry guide before Urban Cowboy changed everything. He describes his acting philosophy of total presence and 'staying out of the way,' shaped by Marlon Brando, Burt Lancaster, and Laurence Olivier, and grounded in his reading of Jewish mysticism (Kabbalah). At 85 he walks through his detailed daily routine of ear massage, diaphragmatic breathing, baby fit, kettlebell swings, push-ups, and breath holds. He also shares the love-at-first-sight story of meeting his wife Carol, his conversion to Judaism, and his belief that luck favors those willing to be a good student and fall on their face in public.

Big reveals

  • Glenn has been legally deaf since age 10 from scarlet fever; an audiologist later told him he had been reading lips for at least 40 years without realizing it.
  • After Urban Cowboy, Glenn essentially never had to audition again, and he turned down lead TV roles to stay in Idaho and focus purely on the craft of acting rather than show-business politics.
  • On The Leftovers, director Mimi Leader said his seven-page monologue take was 'a master's class in acting'; Glenn was so fully inside the role he couldn't even direct or watch himself.
  • Glenn's core acting breakthrough is complete spontaneity: being so present in the now that you have no future or plans in a scene, which he says gives film performances their electricity.
  • At 85, Glenn does breath-hold meditations three times a week, currently holding for 1:40 with a personal record of 4 minutes 15 seconds, aiming for a two-minute hold by age 86.
  • Glenn met his wife Carol in a New York movie theater roughly 55 years ago; they sat through the entire film twice without touching, and he knew immediately he had fallen in love.
  • Laurence Olivier told Glenn the single thing you need to make it in the business is pure tenacity: 'develop very strong jaw muscles, learn how to bite on and not let go.'

Things worth remembering

  • Francis Ford Coppola gave Glenn a role at the end of Apocalypse Now because he believed Glenn had saved his life in the Philippines by keeping him from drowning in a river.
  • Burt Lancaster commissioned a dinnerware set from Carol after learning the only other ceramic artist whose work he owned was Picasso.
  • Glenn's father, a Snap-on Tools executive who rose from poverty, hit him only once in his life, and advised him to never set deadlines on pursuing his dream.
  • Glenn converted to Judaism so his wife would not 'have a target on her back' that he didn't share; his Jewish name is Abraham Ephraim Ben Abraham.
  • Glenn was certified in scuba diving by Jim Stewart, the legendary Scripps Institution dive master who wrote the syllabus for the Navy SEAL teams.
  • Rudolf Nureyev told Glenn he was a more believable cowboy than John Travolta, and corrected Glenn that he was Tatar, not Russian.
  • Glenn's morning routine includes a strong ear massage learned in a Tai Chi seminar and humming eight times with back teeth together to stimulate the vagus nerve.
  • 'Baby fit,' which Glenn does each morning, is a movement practice he says Russian special ops use, rolling over using legs then arms the way a baby would.
  • His workout includes five rounds totaling 100 kettlebell swings and 100 push-ups, using 16-24 kg bells after retiring his 52 lb bell due to a muscle injury.
  • While filming in Thailand, Glenn crossed illegally into Burma at Three Pagodas Pass in the Golden Triangle and trained Muay Thai with fighters there.

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Apocalypse Now

Francis Ford Coppola (inferred)

“His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now Urban Cowboy the right stuff Silverado The Hunt for Red October” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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Urban Cowboy

James Bridges (inferred)

“His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now Urban Cowboy the right stuff Silverado The Hunt for Red October” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Right Stuff

Philip Kaufman (inferred)

“His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now Urban Cowboy the right stuff Silverado The Hunt for Red October” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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Silverado

Lawrence Kasdan (inferred)

“His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now Urban Cowboy the right stuff Silverado The Hunt for Red October” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Hunt for Red October

John McTiernan (inferred)

“His impressive film resume includes performances in Apocalypse Now Urban Cowboy the right stuff Silverado The Hunt for Red October the Silence of the Lambs” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Silence of the Lambs

Jonathan Demme (inferred)

“the Silence of the Lambs Backdraft The Virgin Suicides and the born ultimatum I would venture that every single one of you would recognize his face” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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Backdraft

Ron Howard (inferred)

“the Silence of the Lambs Backdraft The Virgin Suicides and the born ultimatum I would venture that every single one of you would recognize his face” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Virgin Suicides

Sofia Coppola (inferred)

“the Silence of the Lambs Backdraft The Virgin Suicides and the born ultimatum I would venture that every single one of you would recognize his face” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Bourne Ultimatum

Paul Greengrass (inferred)

“the Silence of the Lambs Backdraft The Virgin Suicides and the born ultimatum I would venture that every single one of you would recognize his face” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Leftovers

Damon Lindelof (inferred)

“Scott has appeared on the small screen as Kevin Garvey senior in The Leftovers the blind Sensei stick in Marvel's Daredevil” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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Marvel's Daredevil

Marvel (inferred)

“the blind Sensei stick in Marvel's Daredevil and the Defenders and as the retired Sheriff Allan Pangborn in Castle Rock” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Defenders

Marvel (inferred)

“the blind Sensei stick in Marvel's Daredevil and the Defenders and as the retired Sheriff Allan Pangborn in Castle Rock” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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Castle Rock

Hulu (inferred)

“and as the retired Sheriff Allan Pangborn in Castle Rock this year Scott will return to HBO to join season 3 of The White Lotus” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The White Lotus (season 3)

HBO (inferred)

“this year Scott will return to HBO to join season 3 of The White Lotus” — Tim Ferriss 00:06:22
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The Baby Maker

James Bridges (inferred)

“we moved to LA for me to do the first film I ever did which was called Baby Maker” — Scott Glenn 00:13:39
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Nashville

Robert Altman (inferred)

“I did a couple of sort of very small parts in big important American movies one was Nashville Bob alman's film” — Scott Glenn 00:13:39
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The Cattle Annie and Little Britches (Cattle Annie)

Lamont Johnson (inferred)

“it was the duelan Dalton Gang Western and I was told by a lot of people I went down there you're going to love Rod stiger” — Scott Glenn 00:19:54
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Killer Joe

Tracy Letts (inferred)

“The second time it happened was doing an Off Broadway play called Killer Joe and I just realized that up until one part of Killer Joe” — Scott Glenn 00:58:47
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RecommendedBook

Practical Shooting: Beyond Fundamentals

Brian Enos

“do you know who Brian Enos is... so he wrote a book called practical shooting Beyond fundamentals and it's about when you enter the space of doing something” — Scott Glenn 00:54:02
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Bad Monkey

Apple TV+ (inferred)

“it happened to me again with Vince vaugh doing a series that hasn't come out yet... it's called Bad Monkey it stars Vince and the first day on the set” — Scott Glenn 01:08:13
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Eugene the Marine

“the next job I got after that was something called Eugene the Marine which is this lowbudget thriller that will be coming out sometime in the next year” — Scott Glenn 01:10:17
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RecommendedBook

Don't Shoot the Dog

Karen Pryor (inferred)

“I was reading this book called Don't Shoot the dog excellent book isn't it a great book it is the top recommendation always for people who are considering getting a dog” — Tim Ferriss 01:04:01
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The Leftovers

Damon Lindelof (inferred)

“the next time it happened I was doing leftovers and I had been in two seasons of The Leftovers and I'd gone from just being a character” — Scott Glenn 01:02:58
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Off Limits

Christopher Crowe (inferred)

“I was there as an actor doing a movie called off limits and it was the King's birthday and he was turning 60” — Scott Glenn 01:43:52
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Friction Zone

Scott Glenn

“this is one of one of your books friction Zone it's the most Elemental way that human beings have to communicate ideas and feelings” — Tim Ferriss 01:55:51
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Room Service

Scott Glenn

“she said well I'm going to publish it self-publish so that was room service” — Scott Glenn 01:57:27
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