Brandon Sanderson breaks down how he built a fantasy publishing empire through writing habits, magic systems, and a record-shattering $41M Kickstarter.

Brandon Sanderson — Bestselling epic fantasy author (Mistborn, The Stormlight Archive) who finished Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time series and built Dragonsteel, a direct-to-consumer publishing company. Holds the record for the largest Kickstarter ever.
Brandon Sanderson tells Tim Ferriss the origin story of becoming a writer, from a reluctant reader who cheated on a book report to discovering fantasy through a single dragon novel that changed his trajectory. He details his disciplined writing habits (two four-hour blocks, 2,000-2,500 new words a day), his teaching framework of narrative as 'promise, progress, payoff,' and his philosophy of treating the writer rather than the book as the true work of art. He explains his hard magic systems and his three (plus a zeroth) laws of magic, illustrated through Mistborn, Lord of the Rings, and Star Wars. The conversation digs into the business of publishing: writing 13 novels before selling one, near-failure of Mistborn, Amazon's market control, why he built Dragonsteel for direct sales, and the four-secret-books Kickstarter that raised roughly $41-45 million. He closes on the economics of audiobooks, ebooks, and advances, and the shift of power from New York publishers to creators and platforms.
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Barbara Hambly
“I arrived on this book called Dragon Spain by Barbara Hamley and it really was the cover cover illustrator is Michael whan” — Brandon Sanderson 00:34:21Find it on Amazon
Blake Snyder (inferred)
“a book called save the cat goes to the movies yeah that examines different genres within screenwriting so that's not the original save the cat” — Tim Ferriss 00:49:03Find it on Amazon
Blake Snyder
“so I do recommend save the cat but save the cat goes in the movies I haven't read that” — Brandon Sanderson 00:49:35Find it on Amazon
Stephen King
“if you want the opposite of save the cat on writing by Stephen King is a leaping off point in save the cat's about structure and onw writings about the life of a writer” — Brandon Sanderson 00:49:35Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“I have a middle- grade series called alcatra EV Librarians which are pure gardened” — Brandon Sanderson 00:50:05Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“so I'll build it from of my books mistborn right so mistborn had a series of ideas the first idea came I was reading Harry Potter” — Brandon Sanderson 00:51:37Find it on Amazon
“I have a deep and Abiding Love Of The Heist genre you know sneakers is one of my favorite films of all time oldie but goody” — Brandon Sanderson 00:53:09Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“the way of Kings is 400,000 words and we kind of cram stuff in there and we get to a thousand pages on that” — Brandon Sanderson 00:29:07Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“he's the illustrator who did the way of kings and The Stormlight Archive for me I eventually got him” — Brandon Sanderson 00:34:21Find it on Amazon
Patrick Rothfuss
“Pat rfus published his first book and it's brilliant Name of the Wind Name of the Wind yeah that is spectacular book first novel” — Brandon Sanderson 01:11:21Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“that's the one I eventually ended up selling those five I'd written” — Brandon Sanderson 01:11:21Find it on Amazon
Joe Abercrombie
“you you kind of look at Joe abomi as kind of the modern version of that so the blade itself the blade itself fantastic oh so fun” — Brandon Sanderson 01:13:27Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“I sold number six after I'd finished number 13 which was way of Kings Prime” — Brandon Sanderson 01:18:06Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“War breaker that you mentioned was one of these just a standalone book that I wrote between the misbourne trilogy The Wheel of Time and Stormlight” — Brandon Sanderson 01:47:23Find it on Amazon
Guy Gavriel Kay
“guy Gabriel K is very good at them the Lions of arasan or taana are to highly recommended their 90s fantasy” — Brandon Sanderson 01:47:53Find it on Amazon
Guy Gavriel Kay
“the Lions of arasan or taana are to highly recommended their 90s fantasy they're a little slower than modern fantasy” — Brandon Sanderson 01:47:53Find it on Amazon
William Goldman (inferred)
“we showed them The Princess Bride one of my favorite movies and favorite books amazing amazing amazing everything” — Brandon Sanderson 01:48:56Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“it became the story truss of the emerald sea that I wrote without any plans to publish it without any contracts without any expectations” — Brandon Sanderson 01:51:31Find it on Amazon
Orson Scott Card (inferred)
“she's the editor of the book Enders Game great book really top-notch editor and then she discovered Wheel of Time” — Brandon Sanderson 02:28:24Find it on Amazon
Brandon Sanderson
“Skyward which is my actual young adult series is shelf as adult in the UK” — Brandon Sanderson 03:02:09Find it on Amazon
Scott Lynch
“Li luck MOA came out which is another one Scott Lynch yeah Scott Lynch fantastic that is a really fun really fun series” — Brandon Sanderson 02:44:32Find it on Amazon