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Joe Rogan · 2024-07-25 · 2h 36m

Joe Rogan Experience #2180 - Jordan Peterson

Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan explore Biblical psychology, psychedelics, sacrifice, the capture of universities, and launching Peterson Academy.

Joe Rogan Experience #2180 - Jordan Peterson
The guest

Jordan Peterson — Clinical psychologist, former University of Toronto and Harvard professor, author of 12 Rules for Life and We Who Wrestle with God, and founder of Peterson Academy.

The gist

Peterson frames his new book We Who Wrestle with God around the idea that truthful, upward-aimed language brings order out of chaos, using stories of Moses, Abraham, Adam and Cain to define God psychologically. He and Rogan dig into the role psychedelics may have played in human development, religion, and the 1960s counterculture, and why the 1970 drug laws stunted civilization. Peterson then unveils Peterson Academy, a low-cost online university launching with 20 high-production courses meant to counter ideologically captured institutions. The conversation turns to the decay of universities, Marxism and postmodernism as a resentful Cain-like spirit, and AI's alignment problem. It closes with Peterson's fierce critique of gender-transition medicine for minors and his ongoing fight against Canada's licensing board over forced re-education.

Big reveals

  • Peterson announces the launch of Peterson Academy, an online university offering ~20 high-production courses for roughly a twelfth the cost of traditional college.
  • Peterson Academy charges $450/year for early adopters specifically so 'skin in the game' keeps the community free of trolls and bots.
  • Peterson argues universities are storehouses of value overrun by parasites, mapping it onto the Mesopotamian Enuma Elish myth.
  • Peterson says ChatGPT fabricates references, with about a quarter of academic citations it produces not actually existing.
  • Peterson reveals he lost his job and clinical practice and has spent about a million dollars in legal fees fighting his licensing board.
  • One of the four complaints against Peterson was the entire transcript of his previous conversation with Rogan about climate.
  • Peterson cites experts estimating black-market puberty blockers outnumber medically prescribed ones at least 10 to 1.

Things worth remembering

  • About 40% of Peterson's tour audience now dresses formally, with many young men buying their first suit to attend.
  • Israeli scholars hypothesize the Burning Bush was a DMT experience from an acacia tree rich in the compound.
  • The Vatican displays an enormous pine cone statue interpreted as a representation of the pineal gland, called the seed of the soul.
  • The human brain roughly doubled over two million years, which Terence McKenna linked to psilocybin use as rainforest became grassland.
  • Michelangelo carved the Pietà in St. Peter's from a single block of marble at around age 23.
  • Spotify and Peterson Academy use AI to translate lectures into other languages using the speaker's own voice and matched mouth movements.
  • Postmodernism, defined as skepticism toward meta-narratives, repackaged Marxism's victim-victimizer story into intersectionality.
  • Peterson notes antisocial personality is partly heritable and tied to fatherlessness driving boys toward short-horizon gang behavior.

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We Who Wrestle with God

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12 Rules for Life

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“every time someone comes up to me and tells me that reading say 12 rules for life had help them I ask why” — Jordan Peterson 02:15:00
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Beyond Good and Evil

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“I did a course on n on Beyond Good and Evil... Beyond Good and Evil is a Cardinal work a PR droma to the entire intellectual and political history of the 20th century” — Jordan Peterson 02:34:11
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Peterson Academy

Jordan Peterson

“we're launching Peterson Academy today so online university... we're launching with 20 courses best lectures in the world very very high quality production” — Jordan Peterson 01:19:04
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