Former FBI lead hostage negotiator Chris Voss teaches Andrew Huberman the mindset, tactics, and emotional science behind winning hard conversations.

Chris Voss — Former FBI lead international crisis and hostage negotiator and Joint Terrorist Task Force member with over two decades of service. Author of the bestseller Never Split the Difference and founder of negotiation training company The Black Swan Group.
Chris Voss walks through how to approach difficult conversations and negotiations of every kind, from hostage crises and kidnappings to breakups, business deals, and venting friends. He emphasizes diagnosing the other side fast, judging emotional alignment over body-language myths, and using tools like labeling, mirroring, calibrated how/what questions, and proactive (tactical) empathy. The conversation interleaves Voss's field stories with Huberman's neuroscience on the calming 'late-night FM DJ voice', the gut versus fear centers, and the subconscious as the brain's real supercomputer. Voss also covers readiness practices, ego depletion, deception detection, the humanizing power of names, and self-care as fuel for showing up well. The episode closes with his current projects, including Fireside group coaching and an upcoming tactical-empathy documentary and companion book.
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Chris Voss
“First of all, I want to say that your book Never Split the Difference. One of my favorite books.” — Andrew Huberman 02:39:04Find it on Amazon
Chris Voss
“We've been toying with this companion operations manual for tactical empathy, which getting it right is important. So it's sort of a companion book to Never Split the Difference.” — Chris Voss 02:46:07Find it on Amazon
Chris Voss
“We just finished a book for residential real estate agents. A friend of mine, Steve Scholl... it's mostly the Black Swan method for real estate agents” — Chris Voss 02:46:39Find it on Amazon
Nick Nanton
“There's a documentary film that's been done on my company called Tactical Empathy. Nick Nanton won 22, 23 Emmys. The filmmaker, DNA films.” — Chris Voss 01:21:06Find it on Amazon
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