Esther Perel and Andrew Huberman unpack how identity, conflict, and desire shape whether romantic relationships survive, evolve, or come back to life.

Esther Perel — A psychotherapist of nearly 40 years and one of the world's foremost experts on romantic relationships, author of bestsellers Mating in Captivity and The State of Affairs and host of the podcast Where Should We Begin?
Perel and Huberman explore romantic relationships as a developmental arc, arguing we often live two or three relationships within one lifetime, sometimes with the same partner. They examine why we choose partners who represent the parts of ourselves we want to change, how those same traits later become sources of conflict, and what genuine apology, accountability, and repair actually require. Perel maps the recurring choreographies of conflict (pursuer/pursuer, distancer/distancer, pursuer/distancer) and the way couples collapse past and present, mistaking subjective stories for fact. The conversation closes on desire, infidelity, and the erotic as aliveness, framing sexuality as a coded language for our deepest emotional needs rather than a metaphor for the relationship.
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Esther Perel
“she's also the author of best-selling books such as mating in captivity and the State of Affairs” — Andrew Huberman 00:00:00Find it on Amazon
Esther Perel
“she's also the author of best-selling books such as mating in captivity and the State of Affairs” — Andrew Huberman 00:00:00Find it on Amazon
Harriet Lerner
“there's a beautiful book by harat learner about apology that I often recommend in these situations because she really analyzes if you ever do apology” — Esther Perel 01:58:28Find it on Amazon
Andrew Huberman
“I have a new book coming out it's my very first book it's entitled protocols an operating manual for the human body” — Andrew Huberman 02:04:13Find it on Amazon