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Joe Rogan · 2025-10-08 · 2h 33m

Joe Rogan Experience #2390 - Jack Carr

Thriller author Jack Carr joins Joe Rogan to talk his Vietnam novel Cry Havoc, the SEAL teams, AI's threat to art, watches, trucks, and a paranoid post-Charlie-Kirk world.

Joe Rogan Experience #2390 - Jack Carr
The guest

Jack Carr — Former Navy SEAL turned bestselling thriller novelist behind the James Reece series (The Terminal List), which Amazon adapted into TV shows starring Chris Pratt. His latest novel, Cry Havoc, is an espionage thriller set in 1968 Vietnam.

The gist

Jack Carr explains the obsessive research behind Cry Havoc, his 1968 Vietnam espionage thriller, going so far as to buy a period dictionary, vintage watches, and 1960s magazines to write without the benefit of hindsight. He and Rogan range across the decline of reading and AI's encroachment on music and books, the making of the Amazon adaptations Terminal List, Dark Wolf, and True Believer, and a shared obsession with vintage Land Cruisers and tool watches. The conversation turns darker on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the eerie public celebration of it, and Carr's instinct for sensing 'evil.' They close on immigration, media failure, the cultural power of Rogan's podcast, hunting and conservation, and the unsettling experience of being a remote, security-conscious public figure.

Big reveals

  • Carr says an OpenAI settlement used his books and this podcast, but his cut may be only ~$1,000 against $6,000 in legal fees.
  • Carr admits he got into the worst shape of his life after six years of nonstop writing, then got into the best shape of his life before falling off again at a December deadline.
  • Claims Navy supply was destroying issued Tudor Submariner watches with hammers in the '90s.
  • Carr names Cry Havoc as his favorite book he has written, 'hands down.'
  • Carr describes hearing his chief of staff scream the moment Charlie Kirk was shot, and racing to reach his kids before they saw the video.
  • Says he attended Tulsi Gabbard's swearing-in and that Chelsea Gabbard publicly posted about his book.
  • Rogan claims Kamala Harris's team fabricated the 'personal day' and studio walk-through stories around the cancelled podcast appearance.
  • Carr recounts answering his door with a pistol the day after Kirk's assassination when a man dressed all in black showed up asking about cement.

Things worth remembering

  • 1968 was the bloodiest year of the Vietnam War; over 58,000 Americans died in the war overall.
  • Carr argues the Tet Offensive was a U.S. tactical victory turned strategic loss because of how the media reported it.
  • The Terminal List team deliberately avoided 'John Wick'-style choreography to keep fights primal and realistic.
  • Rogan says creatine improves cognition and reaction time after sleep deprivation, and takes ~20g (four scoops) a day.
  • The Seiko 6105 is the watch Captain Willard wore in Apocalypse Now, nicknamed 'the Toyota of watches.'
  • A rumored origin of Richard Mille's pricing: an extra zero was accidentally added to a $15,000 watch.
  • Chris Pratt held his breath underwater for over three minutes during the True Believer shoot.
  • Carr warns digital ID could be tied to social-credit and carbon-footprint scores to control purchases and movement.
  • Rogan claims the UK has arrested ~12,000 people for social media posts, versus ~400 in Russia.
  • Lanai has roughly 30,000 axis deer on an island of about 3,000 people, requiring active hunting to control the population.

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