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Tim Ferriss · 2023-07-07 · 2h 29m

Richard Koch — Revisiting the 80/20 Principle And Much More | The Tim Ferriss Podcast

Richard Koch revisits the 80/20 Principle, applying it to venture investing, happiness, toxic beliefs, and a new Oxford sabbatical program.

Richard Koch — Revisiting the 80/20 Principle And Much More | The Tim Ferriss Podcast
The guest

Richard Koch — Entrepreneur, investor, former strategy consultant (BCG, Bain, co-founder of LEK), and author of The 80/20 Principle and Unreasonable Success; his investments compounded ~22% annually over 37 years.

The gist

Tim Ferriss revisits the 80/20 Principle with Richard Koch, who explains how a tiny minority of causes drives most results across investing, business, and life. Koch walks through his venture wins (Betfair, Filofax, Plymouth Gin, FanDuel, Auto1), arguing that asking 'how could this be a 100x return?' beats fixating on downside, and that a history background trained him to think in counterfactuals and scenarios. The conversation turns personal with his framework of 'toxic beliefs,' 'good beliefs,' and 'grand beliefs,' plus research from interviewing 50 people for an upcoming book. Koch and Ferriss also discuss happiness fundamentals (relationships, loving your work, optimism), the danger of becoming an 'exhausted volcano,' and a planned Oxford 'wadham experience' tutorial sabbatical for high performers. Tim closes with a deep dive into how rediscovering art has unlocked a wellspring of energy in his own life.

Big reveals

  • Koch's core investing question is 'how do we make a hundred times return on this?'—he imagines extreme upside rather than focusing on downside, then buys more shares when a company is winning.
  • Betfair was growing 60-100% per month when professional VCs refused to fund it; Koch saw exponential growth on a high-margin model and invested 1.5 million pounds, all his spare cash, making 100x on the first tranche.
  • Koch argues studying history makes you a better investor because it teaches counterfactual thinking—what could have happened—which is exactly the scenario thinking venture capital requires.
  • His method for assigning probabilities is deliberately crude: guess a best-case number, then double it and halve it to create high and low cases, then run an expected-value calculation.
  • Koch's upcoming book '80/20 Beliefs' is built on interviewing 50 trusted people; 9 of 10 said they had changed an important, life-altering 'toxic belief.'
  • Once a person 'rumbles' (discovers) a toxic belief, changing it is usually fast—people stay stuck for decades only because they never identify the belief; sudden unhappiness or stress signals a hidden toxic belief.
  • Beyond toxic and good beliefs, Koch describes 'grand beliefs'—implausible childhood convictions (his was becoming a millionaire); 8 of his 50 interviewees held one, and they can be either powerfully positive or, like Hitler's, catastrophic.
  • At the moment his net worth doubled to a billion pounds in 2000, Koch was miserable, trapped by the toxic belief that nothing mattered more than making money despite already having more than he could spend.

Things worth remembering

  • Koch is an investor in What3Words, which mapped the entire planet into trillions of three-meter squares each identified by three English words, used by car manufacturers and emergency services.
  • Koch's earlier wins funded his Betfair stake: roughly 7x on Filofax, ~6x on Belgo (mussels-and-chips restaurant), and 16x on Plymouth Gin.
  • Plymouth Gin won a lucky break when a BBC panel of 30 gin experts rated it top, after which Koch sold it to Sweden's Vin & Sprit (owner of Absolut).
  • Bill Bain, founder of Bain & Company, had no MBA or quantitative degree—he was a historian who got hired at BCG after failing to raise money for his university from Bruce Henderson.
  • Koch notes life expectancy in some countries jumped from roughly 50 to 80 years within recent decades, dramatically reducing the suffering of bereavement.
  • Bill Bain demanded clients agree never to work with competitors, never cap Bain's budget, and to say yes to recommendations—treating consulting as a profit-sharing partnership.
  • As a teenager Koch ran a stamp business, bicycling to every post office in Windsor to buy 1966 World Cup commemorative overprinted stamps that became valuable.
  • Andrew Roberts' biography documents that a 16-year-old Winston Churchill told a friend there would be a future terrible war in which he would rise to high position and save London from being bombed.
  • Oxford's Wadham College loses money on every undergraduate (capped tuition of ~9,200 pounds) and operates only 24 weeks a year—about 46% capacity utilization—prompting Koch's sabbatical idea.
  • Tim recommends Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast, specifically 'Prophets of Doom' (Lutheran reformation) and 'Wrath of the Khans' (Genghis Khan and the Mongols).

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