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Diary of a CEO · 2022-11-24 · 1h 44m

Louis Theroux: "The Thing That Makes Me Great At Work, Makes Me Bad At Life!" | E198

Louis Theroux on how the work ethic that built his career left him neglecting intimacy, anxiety, and finding balance.

Louis Theroux: "The Thing That Makes Me Great At Work, Makes Me Bad At Life!" | E198
The guest

Louis Theroux — British documentary filmmaker and broadcaster known for immersive interviews with cults, criminals and outsiders; author and founder of his own production company.

The gist

Steven Bartlett interviews documentary maker Louis Theroux about how the same traits that make him brilliant at his work make him struggle in his personal life. Theroux traces his anxious, studious childhood, his literary family, and a work ethic he used to manage worry. He reflects candidly on intimacy difficulties, his reliance on his wife Nancy to involve him in life, and feedback that he neglected relationships for professional success. The conversation covers his accidental path into TV under Michael Moore, his approach to disarming difficult subjects through curiosity rather than confrontation, and his eventual decision to start his own company.

Big reveals

  • Louis says the joke he tells is that what makes him good at his job is also what makes him bad at life.
  • He admits his work functions as a license to be intimate with subjects without consequences, then fly home to a less intimate life.
  • He concedes he neglected his personal life for professional success and the price was paid by those nearest to him.
  • He recounts treating relationships as a life-support system for his work self instead of the other way around.
  • His former wife said there was nothing real about him, and Jimmy Savile said insincerity was his specialty.
  • His wife Nancy pushed him to leave the BBC and start his own production company after years of making shows he didn't own.
  • He describes being anhedonic, often unable to feel pleasure or even register good news like winning BAFTAs.

Things worth remembering

  • His mother was British, his father American; they met teaching in Africa via VSO and the Peace Corps and he was born in Singapore.
  • His father became a wealthy literary novelist and travel writer; his mother became a BBC World Service radio producer.
  • Michael Moore hired Louis at age 23 for the satirical show TV Nation, his first TV segments.
  • As a TV Nation correspondent he joined the Writers Guild of America and was flown business class, fueling imposter syndrome.
  • His cousin Justin Theroux, who wrote Tropic Thunder and Iron Man 2, struggled academically with ADHD.
  • Two nights before, Louis was named a GQ Man of the Year at a banquet catered by Heston Blumenthal.
  • Louis wears a cheap Casio F-91W watch and owns a spare, framing himself as 'the anti-Tate' against ostentatious wealth.
  • He set a rule never to travel more than two weeks for work once he had children, usually keeping trips to 7-12 days.
  • On hallucinogens he supports legalizing cannabis and sees mushrooms as potentially positive for those with solid mental health.

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Guest’s ownBook

Gotta Get Through This: My Life in Strange Times in Television

Louis Theroux

“In your autobiography on page 150, Are you serious? Yes. Gotta get through this, my life in strange times in television.” — Steven Bartlett 01:21:46
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Guest’s ownMedia

Louis Theroux Interviews

Louis Theroux (inferred)

“I've got a series out at the moment on iPlayer called Louis through interviews and we had one that went out a few days ago where I interviewed Bear Grills” — Louis Theroux 00:40:39
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Guest’s ownMedia

When Louis Met Jimmy

Louis Theroux (inferred)

“the first documentary I made about Jimmy Sa, when he was alive, when Louis met Jimmy, not available on the iPlayer” — Louis Theroux 01:23:54
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RecommendedProduct

Casio F-91W

Casio

“This is a Casio, whatever that one is. It's a F nine one W. These costs like 10 pounds, 15 pounds you can get them at, at Argos.” — Louis Theroux 00:53:34
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