Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin — British comedians and co-hosts of the political-interview podcast Triggernometry. Kisin (Russian/Soviet background) is an author and free-speech commentator; Foster is a former teacher with a Venezuelan family and a book on teaching coming out.
The gist
A wide-ranging, mostly political conversation in which Rogan and the Triggernometry hosts argue that Western politics has become tribal 'soap opera for adults' and that both the radical left and far right poison reasonable debate. They dig into government waste and the DOGE audits, the Signal group-chat leak, the corrupting psychology of power, and the dangers of handing governments data and emergency powers. The back half turns darker and more speculative: AI as humanity's coming 'overlords,' automation wiping out jobs, robot cops, and a future of engineered decline. They close on immigration, wrongful deportations to El Salvador, campus protests they believe are paid and astroturfed, and a shared plea for a reasonable political center.
Big reveals
- Rogan says comedian Heather McDonald blacking out mid-vaccine-joke made him seriously consider the simulation is real.
- Rogan credits the Fear Factor days for giving him 'f-you money' and changing how he views everything.
- Rogan argues we are 'giving birth to our overlords' every time we use ChatGPT and that advanced AI already shows survival instincts.
- Kisin relays a chilling claim: more Dutch Jews died in WWII than French because the Netherlands had a religion census the Nazis used to round people up.
- Rogan says he won't go to Canada anymore over the government freezing bank accounts of trucker-convoy donors.
- Foster recounts a mentally-ill woman in DC hurling an antisemitic slur at Kisin and a racial slur at him while they walked down the street.
- Both speculate that the open border and chaotic deportations may be deliberate, designed to sow crime and civil unrest.
- Foster announces his book 'Classroom Confidential' coming August 18th, about why no one should ever be a teacher.
Things worth remembering
- The UK government reportedly still used fax machines until recently, and retirement paperwork is stored on paper in a converted limestone mine.
- The US national debt is cited at ~126% of GDP versus the UK's ~110%.
- Operation Northwoods: the Joint Chiefs signed off on plans to blow up a jetliner and stage attacks to blame Cuba, but Kennedy vetoed it.
- After cargo ships were made cleaner, ocean surface temperatures rose because less pollution meant less haze blocking the sun.
- Miyamoto Musashi killed 62 men in one-on-one duels and got so bored he began beating opponents to death with carved wooden oars.
- Texas reportedly holds more captive tigers in private collections than exist in all the wild on Earth.
- A San Francisco zoo tiger escaped a 12-foot enclosure (tigers can jump ~14 feet) after kids threw pine cones at it.
- As Lake Mead drains in the drought, multiple sets of human remains keep surfacing, including a body in a barrel from the 1970s.
- The Harris campaign reportedly spent around $2 billion over three months and still lost.
- A photojournalist documented a gay Venezuelan barber/makeup artist seemingly falsely accused of gang membership and deported to an El Salvador mega-prison.