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Tim Ferriss · 2024-09-26 · 1h 55m

Elizabeth Gilbert — How to Set Strong Boundaries and Find Your Inner Voice

Elizabeth Gilbert on two-way prayer, fierce boundaries, the 'relaxed woman' as revolution, and trading purpose anxiety for presence.

Elizabeth Gilbert — How to Set Strong Boundaries and Find Your Inner Voice
The guest

Elizabeth Gilbert — Number one New York Times bestselling author of Eat Pray Love, Big Magic, and the novel City of Girls; writes the Letters From Love substack newsletter.

The gist

Tim Ferriss and Elizabeth Gilbert explore the inner work of self-friendliness, beginning with the Celtic notion of having 'no cherished outcome' and Gilbert's daily 20-year practice of writing herself a letter from unconditional love (two-way prayer). She unpacks how boundaries, priorities, and mysticism let her become what she calls a 'relaxed woman'—a radical state she never saw modeled growing up. The conversation moves through hardcore boundary-setting, comfort with solitude, shaving her head as an act of liberation, and how she chooses creative projects with a 'hard ass' due-diligence process. They close on 'purpose anxiety' versus presence, her near-fearlessness about death, and her substack as a community for combating self-hatred.

Big reveals

  • Gilbert reveals her foundational practice began in desperation during her first divorce at 30, when she woke one night and got an 'instruction' to write herself the words she most wished someone would say: 'I've got you, I love you exactly the way you are, you can't fail at this.'
  • She names the practice 'two-way prayer,' common in 12-step recovery: rather than one-way supplication, you read something holy, ask one question ('what would you have me know today?'), then stop talking and listen, with the reply beginning with an endearment.
  • Gilbert defines the three things she needs to be a 'relaxed woman': boundaries, priorities, and mysticism—with mysticism the most important and boundaries protecting it.
  • She recounts activist Rachel Cargle saying she has no difficult people in her life and cannot name a single person 'entitled to be in my life no matter what their biological relationship is to me'—including blocking her own mother for years.
  • On choosing projects, Gilbert describes holding a 'team meeting' where competing ideas pitch her like an angel investor; she sticks with 'the one you came to the dance with' and never switches projects midair.
  • She names and dismantles 'purpose anxiety'—the cultural story that each person has one unique gift they must master, monetize, and leave as a legacy—calling it capitalistic, self-centered, and a recipe for never-enoughness.
  • Gilbert tells the story of silently holding a stranger's wobbly ladder for 45 minutes on Venice Beach, suggesting that single moment might have been the entire purpose of her life—the opposite of a purpose-driven life is 'you'll be notified.'
  • She admits she fears people not liking her far more than death; after her partner Rayya's death she saw a look of 'absolute delight' on her face, and now life on this planet feels weirder and scarier to her than dying.

Things worth remembering

  • 'No cherished outcome' comes from a Celtic poem of approach including the lines 'I bring an undefended heart to our meeting place... I am not subject to disappointment.'
  • Gilbert has been single and celibate by choice for the last five years, which she says removed having 'anyone to pin it on' for her moods.
  • When the Dalai Lama first encountered Western self-hatred, he needed his translator to repeat the question for 15 minutes because the concept of being one's own enemy made no sense to him.
  • Gilbert cites her friend AR Cooper, subject of the documentary 'A Beautiful Thing,' who grew up on Chicago's South Side and joined an early all-Black rowing crew started by a man with a rowing machine in his high school hallway.
  • Gilbert noted that only about 2% of women worldwide are naturally blonde, yet 45% of women in a New York room (including her) were blonde—part of what prompted her to shave her head.
  • Eat Pray Love grew out of an Artist's Way exercise: rereading her writing, Gilbert found 'Italian' on every page, so she took six months of night-school Italian classes 'for divorce ladies at the Y.'
  • City of Girls was an idea Gilbert sat with for 10 years before writing it; her next planned novel she's been thinking about for roughly 15 years.
  • She quotes JP Morgan, asked by Congress how much money is enough, answering 'a little more'—comparing it to the never-satisfied pursuit of purpose and legacy.
  • Gilbert now takes one phone-free day each week (Thursdays) so she doesn't miss real moments like the man on the ladder.
  • The question 'Is the universe friendly?' is often misattributed to Einstein but came from 19th-century philosopher Frederick Myers; Einstein's own version was 'Subtle is the Lord, but malicious he is not.'

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