Joe Rogan Experience #2338 - Beth Shapiro

Joe Rogan talks with paleogeneticist Beth Shapiro about the science of extracting and rebuilding DNA from long-dead animals and what it means to bring extinct species back. She recounts grueling Siberian fieldwork, explains how Colossal engineered dire wolves from gray-wolf DNA, and defends the work against critics who say it's just gene-edited wolves. The conversation ranges across Neanderthals and Denisovans, invasive-species disasters, ballot-box wolf reintroductions, and the limits of the fossil record. Throughout, Shapiro argues that humans have always shaped nature and should responsibly use gene-editing tools for conservation and medicine rather than refuse them out of fear.

• The first published 'dinosaur DNA' was actually a chicken match, traced to the excavation team eating fried chicken at the dig.
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• Shapiro states flatly that Colossal will NOT de-extinct Neanderthals or Denisovans because they are humans who can't consent.
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• She compares herself to Jurassic Park's Dr. Henry Wu and jokes about her 'evil transition' to come.
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• Reveals her team proved the famous '$2.5 million beefalo' and commercial 'buffalo' are genetically just cattle, no real bison.
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• Argues humans have been 'playing God' for our entire existence and quotes Stewart Brand: 'We are as gods... we just better get good at it.'
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• Confirms Colossal has announced the woolly mammoth, thylacine, and dodo, and holds DNA from many more species.
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• Predicts humans won't edit toward uniform 'superhumans'; real germline editing will arrive only when a pandemic makes it the sole ethical option.
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• Shapiro once killed roughly 35 Arctic mosquitoes in a single clap; Siberian Arctic mosquitoes don't even need a blood meal to reproduce.
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• Ancient mammoth-bone DNA survives only in fragments ~30-50 letters long, versus hundreds of millions of letters from a living cheek swab.
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• The tiny 'Hobbit' people of Flores aren't genetically special; they're just at the extreme end of normal human size variation.
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• In 1910 a serious U.S. plan proposed importing African hippos to Louisiana bayous as 'lake cow bacon' to solve a meat shortage.
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• Polar bears and brown bears interbreed whenever ranges overlap, and all North American brown bears carry polar-bear ancestry.
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• Collecting Neanderthal DNA from living people could reconstruct ~93% of the Neanderthal genome.
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• Sediment DNA suggests mammoths and horses may have survived in mainland North America until ~4,000-5,000 years ago.
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• Problem mountain lions in Northern California get about 50% of their diet from people's dogs and cats.
  02:23:56
• 'Baby KJ' went home cured of a fatal metabolic disease after a custom CRISPR edit, an early personalized-medicine milestone.
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