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Tim Ferriss · 2022-04-20 · 1h 14m

Terry Crews — Masculinity, True Power, Therapy, and Resisting Cynicism

Terry Crews tells Tim Ferriss how addiction, therapy, and rejecting revenge taught him real strength and true power.

Terry Crews — Masculinity, True Power, Therapy, and Resisting Cynicism
The guest

Terry Crews — Actor, former NFL player, artist, and host of America's Got Talent, known for Brooklyn Nine-Nine. Author of the memoir 'Tough: My Journey to True Power.'

The gist

Terry Crews joins Tim Ferriss for a deeply personal conversation about masculinity, self-righteousness, and his journey out of what he calls 'victimology.' He opens up about his pornography addiction, the marriage-ending 'D-Day' confession, and the years of therapy and 12-step work that changed his behavior. He recounts pivotal moments, including being assaulted by his agent at a Hollywood party and choosing restraint over the 'revenge movie' he had lived his whole life. Throughout, he argues that endurance, collaboration over competition, and reconciliation are the foundations of true power, and that he is 'at war with cynicism.'

Big reveals

  • Crews describes 'D-Day,' the day his wife confronted him and his pornography addiction blew up his marriage, and how he shifted from asking 'Why doesn't she believe me?' to 'Why did I lie?'
  • He reveals the marriage split came from confessing an infidelity ten years earlier, a hand job at a massage parlor in Vancouver early in his career he had vowed to take to his grave.
  • In therapy he discovered he had given up control over nearly every aspect of his life to victimology, and that putting 100% into improving himself was where his real power lay.
  • The water-spill moment on vacation, where instead of exploding at his 4-year-old son he calmly cleaned up, was when his wife told him 'Terry, you're different,' confirming he had truly changed.
  • He recounts the 2017 incident where his agent, the head of the motion picture department at William Morris Endeavor, grabbed his crotch at a party, and how he walked away instead of retaliating.
  • After the assault he nearly drove his car back into the club to 'start blazing on everybody,' but his wife's repeated 'I'm proud of you' held him back.
  • He says Ari Emanuel confirmed William Morris would have shown him no mercy had he knocked the agent out, illustrating how the world's perception of a 'big muscular angry black man' would have destroyed him.
  • He admits he nearly torpedoed his America's Got Talent job over arrogance about a fashion belt, until he realized 'you're driving their car' and humbled himself by taking it off.

Things worth remembering

  • Crews wakes up at least 3 hours before any call time because his workout is 2 hours, and he has done a sitcom 12-hour day on Brooklyn Nine-Nine for 8 straight years.
  • He is in his 12th straight year of intermittent fasting, using an 8-hour eating window from 2 to 10, and lately often eats just one meal a day.
  • He reads about a book a week, sometimes two, mostly via audiobook during his workouts, and says reading calms the anger that media profits from stirring up.
  • He cites Walter Isaacson's 'The Code Breaker' about Jennifer Doudna and CRISPR, and was shaken to learn DNA pioneer James Watson had made racist claims about the intelligence of black people.
  • At around age 12 or 13, the psychologist his alcoholic father briefly saw killed himself by jumping off a bridge, which made young Terry believe therapy 'doesn't work.'
  • His addiction therapy took place at Psychological Counseling Services in Phoenix, done in person and by phone over an extended period.
  • Crews says he learned 'you can either have success or revenge, but you can't have both,' framing revenge as trying to control things you can't control.
  • He cites Viktor Frankl surviving the Nazi concentration camps and still 'saying yes to life' as his model for endurance-based toughness.
  • He argues 'competition is the opposite of creativity,' saying humanity and society evolved through collaboration, not competition, and you need resistance rather than competition.
  • Crews declares he is 'at war with cynicism,' choosing to be hopeful and treat negativity as ignorance, noting 20 years ago he was 'among the ignorant' himself.

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