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This Common Food Is Feeding Your Cancer Cells - Dr. William Li

Harvard-trained Dr. William Li explains how everyday foods can starve cancer, boost the body's five health defenses, and extend lifespan.

This Common Food Is Feeding Your Cancer Cells - Dr. William Li
The guest

Dr. William Li — Harvard-trained physician, medical scientist, and angiogenesis researcher who helped develop FDA-approved treatments for over 70 diseases. Author of bestsellers Eat to Beat Disease and Eat to Beat Your Diet, and president of the Angiogenesis Foundation.

The gist

Dr. William Li reframes cancer as something the body forms constantly (about 10,000 DNA copying errors a day) but normally clears via five built-in health defense systems: immunity, angiogenesis (blood vessel control), DNA protection, the microbiome, and stem cells. He argues that diet and lifestyle can either raise these 'shields' or lower them, and that more than 200 studied foods can starve tumors by cutting their blood supply. The conversation covers microplastics, the dangers of visceral 'skinny fat,' brown fat and metabolism, fasting, the gut bacteria that determine immunotherapy success, and brain health. Li shares how immunotherapy took his mother from stage 4 to stage 0 cancer, and makes the case that 'food as medicine' is a forgotten tool now being validated by modern science.

Big reveals

  • Li says he has now 'seen where the end of cancer is coming from' and has had over a dozen patients go from stage 4 to stage 0.
  • His own mother went from stage 4 endometrial cancer to stage zero after just three immunotherapy treatments, with no chemotherapy, and is healthy at 90+.
  • Discloses a seven-figure personal investment into a matcha company a couple of years ago.
  • A study found men with microplastics embedded in their carotid artery had a four-fold (400%) increase in fatal heart attack or stroke risk.
  • Immunotherapy response hinged on a single gut bacterium, Akkermansia muciniphila; transplanting it made non-responding mice respond.
  • A 13-year study of normal-weight women showed those with 'skinny fat' had a three-fold higher risk of breast cancer.
  • Describes personalized cancer 'peptide vaccines' printed from a tumor's own mutations, now keeping some glioblastoma patients alive in trials.

Things worth remembering

  • Roughly 10,000 uncaught DNA copying mistakes are made in the body every 24 hours, each the start of a microscopic cancer.
  • A 1 cm breast lump, the smallest you can feel, already contains about 1 billion cancer cells fed by ~100 million blood vessels.
  • A single plastic tea bag can shed roughly a billion microplastic particles into your cup.
  • In Li's lab testing, English Earl Grey tea (with bergamot) outperformed Japanese green tea for supporting blood vessel health.
  • Men who eat cooked tomatoes (about half a cup, 2-3 servings a week) had a 29% lower risk of prostate cancer, thanks to lycopene.
  • Three to four cups of coffee a day can activate brown fat to burn down harmful visceral fat via chlorogenic acid.
  • The average human brain contains roughly a plastic-picnic-spoon's worth of microplastics, found in normal autopsies.
  • Vascular dementia, caused by narrowed brain blood vessels, is more common than Alzheimer's; the brain holds ~400 miles of blood vessels.
  • The Japanese mantra 'hara hachi bu' means stop eating when you're 80% full; not overeating is key to their longevity.
  • Chewing Lactobacillus reuteri can kill the bacteria that cause cavities and gum disease.

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Guest’s ownBook

Eat to Beat Disease

William Li

“you've I've got these two great books in front of me, Eat to Beat Disease, which is a New York Times bestseller” — Steven Bartlett 01:56:55
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Guest’s ownBook

Eat to Beat Your Diet

William Li

“So, I wrote a whole book on this called Eat to Beat Your Diet, which is not a diet book. It's an anti-diet book” — William Li 01:18:22
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Akkermansia muciniphila probiotic

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“But I'm going to take the supplement because I've seen the data that shows how important it can be.” — William Li 01:55:21
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Lactobacillus reuteri probiotic

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“another probiotic I take is called Lactobacillus rutery... So, you know, uh why wouldn't I actually take that?” — William Li 01:55:52
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