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Tim Ferriss · 2023-08-04 · 1h 48m

Deep Dive on Tim's Low-Back Issues, How to Unlearn Painful Patterns, Movement as Medicine, and More

Legendary physical therapist Shirley Sahrmann diagnoses Tim Ferriss's low-back pain live, arguing movement habits, not tissue damage, cause most back trouble.

Deep Dive on Tim's Low-Back Issues, How to Unlearn Painful Patterns, Movement as Medicine, and More
The guest

Shirley A. Sahrmann, PT, PhD — Professor Emerita of Physical Therapy at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis; pioneer of the Movement System Impairment (MSI) approach, author of two iconic movement-science textbooks, and first director of WashU's PhD program in movement science.

The gist

Tim Ferriss does a deep dive on his own roughly nine-month low-back pain with Shirley Sahrmann, an 85-going-on-86-year-old physical therapy legend who influenced coaches like Eric Cressey. Sahrmann reframes low back pain as a symptom rather than a diagnosis, arguing that the real cause is the movement that consistently provokes symptoms and that the body follows the path of least resistance, repeatedly moving where it shouldn't. She assesses Tim live on video, identifying overdeveloped/stiff abdominals adding spinal compression, a stiff tensor fasciae latae, an asymmetric iliac crest, thoracic kyphosis (possible Scheuermann's disease), and femoral retroversion that should change how he stands and walks. She prescribes specific corrective movements (quadruped rocking, overhead breathing, leg slides, modified prone work) and stresses that exercise alone won't help unless everyday movement habits change. She closes by sharing her own daily routine and her belief that early movement education could reduce age-related disability.

Big reveals

  • Sahrmann argues low back pain is a symptom, not a diagnosis; the real diagnosis is naming the specific movement that consistently causes the symptoms, then changing it to reduce or eliminate them.
  • She guesses Tim's problem before examining him: overdeveloped abdominals can become too stiff, increasing compression on the spine, especially with any side-to-side asymmetry.
  • In her judgment, at least 70 percent of people with back pain have it because their hip isn't moving optimally, forcing the back to compensate.
  • The body follows the rules of physics and takes the path of least resistance, so it keeps moving at the same problematic spot; treatment means making other places easier to move.
  • Examining Tim on video, she finds he has increased thoracic kyphosis (not just lumbar curve), partly from rectus abdominis pulling down on his thoracic spine.
  • She tells Tim to stop doing bridging exercises because his spine won't follow the glute-driven pelvic tilt, creating a harmful translation motion between pelvis and vertebrae.
  • Tim likely has femoral retroversion, a structural variation meaning his feet shouldn't point straight ahead for deadlifts or golf, and nobody had ever told him.
  • His lifelong kyphosis-lordosis since age 12-13 may be Scheuermann's disease, an idiopathic compression fracture pattern that won't go away; the goal is keeping it from getting worse.

Things worth remembering

  • From maximum exhalation to maximum inhalation you should be able to change your rib cage circumference about two and a half to three inches; less means abdominal stiffness is adding to spinal compression.
  • Breathing has two modes: 'pump handle' (sternum rising up front) and 'bucket handle' (the sides of the rib cage expanding laterally).
  • Sahrmann coins 'collapso-smasho' for spinal compression in older people without enough muscle and 'squeezo-smasho' for younger people whose overdeveloped abdominal tension adds compression.
  • Shoulders should sit at roughly a six-degree upward clavicle angle, around the C6-C7 level; the serratus anterior acts like a sling to hold the shoulder blades up.
  • Sahrmann is turning 86 next month; both her parents had dementia and she has now exceeded both their ages in life and dementia onset.
  • A friend once told her she had her pants on backwards because the quadruped exercise had changed the curves in her back and buttocks enough to alter how the slacks fit.
  • After years away from bowling during her PhD, she had to re-drill her bowling ball's finger grips because the quadruped position had elongated her chronically flexed finger flexors.
  • Scratching the bottom of your foot makes the tensor fasciae latae fire first; Sahrmann jokingly says she tried to contact the WHO because 'the tensor is run amok' worldwide.
  • The average (not 'normal') femoral head-and-neck rotation is about 15 degrees forward; many men have less, limiting internal rotation.
  • Sahrmann helps feed a friend on a dementia floor twice a day and notes most older people in assisted living are there due to physical disabilities that earlier movement care might have prevented.

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