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Lex Fridman · 2022-06-09 · 4h 13m

Robin Hanson: Alien Civilizations, UFOs, and the Future of Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #292

Economist Robin Hanson lays out his 'grabby aliens' model, why we're cosmically early, and how competition and hidden motives shape humanity's future.

Robin Hanson: Alien Civilizations, UFOs, and the Future of Humanity | Lex Fridman Podcast #292
The guest

Robin Hanson — An economist at George Mason University known for wide-ranging, contrarian thinking on aliens, the future, and human nature. Co-author of 'The Elephant in the Brain' and author of 'The Age of Em', and originator of the 'grabby aliens' cosmological model and idea futures / prediction markets.

The gist

Robin Hanson explains his 'grabby aliens' model, which uses three fitted parameters and humanity's surprisingly early appearance to predict where advanced expanding civilizations are in space and time. He argues life on Earth passed roughly six improbable hard steps and that our cosmic earliness implies the universe is filling up with fast-expanding civilizations we can't yet see. The conversation broadens into competition as the fundamental force driving the future, the risks of global governance suppressing interstellar expansion, and a panspermia-siblings hypothesis for explaining UFOs. Hanson then turns to human nature, unpacking the self-deception thesis of 'The Elephant in the Brain', broken information institutions, and his prediction-market reforms. It closes on mortality, cryonics, simulation arguments, love, and meaning.

Big reveals

  • Hanson estimates Earth passed roughly six improbable 'hard steps' (range three to twelve) to reach advanced life.
  • Our cosmic earliness is the key evidence: if the universe stayed empty, advanced life should appear roughly a thousand times later.
  • Because we see no alien spheres in the sky, grabby aliens must be expanding very fast, over a third the speed of light.
  • Hanson argues strong global governance would likely prevent interstellar colonization and the grabby future.
  • His prior that some UFOs are aliens is roughly one in a thousand, far higher than a murder trial's prior.
  • He proposes 'panspermia siblings' to explain UFOs: thousands of sibling planets seeded in the same stellar nursery.
  • Core thesis: your conscious mind is the 'press secretary' of your brain, justifying decisions rather than making them.
  • Hanson apologizes for being too emotional and too critical of Anthony Fauci, favoring incentive analysis over blaming individuals.

Things worth remembering

  • The math of cancer mirrors the math of advanced life: both follow a power law of roughly the sixth power of time.
  • Usual cosmology says in about 100 to 150 billion years expansion isolates galaxy clusters, but before then civilizations commune for ~100 billion years.
  • Only about 10 percent of species are in the ocean; rivers contain enormous species variety because environments vary so much.
  • Humans discount the future by about a factor of two per generation because descendants share half your genes.
  • Randomized trials find no relationship between getting more medicine and being healthier.
  • Hanson argues physics is 'over-determined'; without Einstein or Heisenberg, others would have found the same results within half a century.
  • Shipping containers deserve to rank alongside the steam engine as a few-in-a-lifetime economy-wide innovation.
  • Hanson is a cryonics customer counting mainly on a future brain-emulation revival, estimating at least a five percent chance.
  • Google Ngram shows interest in a given year declines faster than population grows, weakening the past-replay simulation argument.
  • Research patrons mostly buy affiliation with credentialed impressiveness, not actual research progress.

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