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Andrew Huberman · 2023-12-25 · 2h 28m

Protocols to Access Creative Energy and Process | Rick Rubin

Rick Rubin answers listener questions on creative blocks, daily routine, and why making honest work like a diary entry beats chasing outcomes.

Protocols to Access Creative Energy and Process | Rick Rubin
The guest

Rick Rubin — World-renowned music producer who has worked with Red Hot Chili Peppers, Beastie Boys, Jay-Z, Johnny Cash, Adele, Eminem, Slayer and more. Author of 'The Creative Act: A Way of Being' and host of the Tetragrammaton podcast.

The gist

In this follow-up Q&A episode, Rick Rubin answers thousands of listener questions about the creative process, with Huberman deliberately stepping back to give Rubin most of the airtime. Rubin frames creativity as a 'diary entry' practice where honesty to yourself dissolves creative blocks, and argues that attachment to outcome undermines the work itself. The pair range across meditation, sunlight and red-light habits, weight loss, pro wrestling, psychedelics, dreams, and how Rubin structures his day around natural light and minimal stimulation. Recurring themes are comfort with uncertainty, doing things with whatever means you have, and being truthful in both art and relationships.

Big reveals

  • Rubin reveals he lost 135 pounds on a high-protein, low-calorie, low-carb diet after roughly 20 years as a vegan that left him unhealthy.
  • Claims there are no real creative blocks; they are always fear of self-judgment or outside judgment, dissolved by treating work as a private diary entry.
  • Argues any thought about outcome undermines the whole creative work; making is a devotional practice and the result is out of your control.
  • Says every project he took on was called a terrible idea that wouldn't work, every single time, from LL Cool J and Slayer to Johnny Cash and Adele.
  • Admits he is very curious about psychedelics but has never tried them, and may experiment someday.
  • Explains his celebrated Tetragrammaton ad reads came from solving the problem of not wanting to read conventional ads.
  • Discusses artists' overdoses and pain, attributing it to the same heightened sensitivity that makes them artists; says he lives a 'monk-like' protected life.

Things worth remembering

  • Rubin started coherence breathing specifically to raise his low heart rate variability, aiming for 10-20 minutes a day at six breaths per minute.
  • He once meditated for an entire LA-to-New-York flight; he learned Transcendental Meditation at age 14.
  • On the beach he told a 40-year dermatologist that wearing sunglasses in the sun confuses the body's sleep-wake signals.
  • Rubin switched from Bluetooth to wired and air-tube headphones after repeatedly getting lymph cysts behind his ears.
  • Huberman cites James Pennebaker's expressive-writing research: 15 minutes a day for four days about a traumatic event, backed by 200+ studies.
  • Kentucky allocated about $40 million of opioid-settlement money toward ibogaine research for PTSD in veterans.
  • Rubin's peak work hours run roughly 11am-6pm; he avoids work for the first hour-plus after waking and is in bed by 10pm.
  • After sunset Rubin wears red glasses and keeps only red light in his home to protect sleep and keep cortisol low.
  • Rubin says explaining bioluminescence's science to his excited friend Owen destroyed the childlike magic of the moment for him.

Recommended in this episode

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Guest’s ownBook

The Creative Act: A Way of Being

Rick Rubin

“Rick also authored his first book which is a truly incredible exploration into the creative process his book is entitled the creative act a way of being” — Andrew Huberman 00:00:32
Find it on Amazon
Guest’s ownMedia

Tetragrammaton

Rick Rubin

“I was so excited when you launch tetragrammaton and it's going so well I listen to every episode I love the interviews” — Rick Rubin 01:25:59
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RecommendedMedia

A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs

Andrew Hickey

“I've started listening to more episodes of the podcasts that you introduced me to which was history of rock music and 500 songs Andrew Hickey great podcast real indepth information about music” — Rick Rubin 00:10:56
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RecommendedBook

Wherever You Go, There You Are

Jon Kabat-Zinn (inferred)

“my favorite book about meditation is called wherever you go there you are I love it and I just got sent the 30th Anniversary Edition which is completely Rewritten” — Rick Rubin 02:04:42
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