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Tim Ferriss · 2024-11-13 · 1h 50m

Derek Sivers, Philosopher-Entrepreneur — The Greatest Year of His Life

Derek Sivers explains why deliberately reversing his strongest prejudices made the past year the happiest of his life.

Derek Sivers, Philosopher-Entrepreneur — The Greatest Year of His Life
The guest

Derek Sivers — Musician-turned-entrepreneur who founded CD Baby (the largest independent music seller online), former TED speaker, and author of five books including How to Live and Useful Not True; now a writer and philosophical thinker living in New Zealand.

The gist

Derek Sivers tells Tim Ferriss that the past year was the greatest of his life because he reversed five long-held aversions he calls 'judging the box': coffee, the Python programming language, pet rats, China, and Dubai. He frames the meta-lesson as leaning into whatever you feel averse to, distinguishing a story-based mental 'no' from an instinctive safety 'no.' The two then explore building a diversified portfolio of perspectives by seeking friends you disagree with, and Derek profiles thinkers he is studying: Rich Hickey on simple-versus-easy, Tyler Cowen on lateral if-then reasoning about Bitcoin's Satoshi, and Brian Eno and John Cage as provocateurs. He also describes his radically simple 4x8-meter dream home, a translation-improvement project, his George Costanza 'do the opposite' phase that led to a brief disastrous marriage, and his belief that travel is about inhabiting philosophies like Arab generosity.

Big reveals

  • Sivers describes his 'George Costanza principle' after selling CD Baby: deliberately doing the opposite of every impulse to shake up his trajectory, saying yes when everything in him said no.
  • He reveals the unifying theme of his five changed-mind stories: he doesn't just love the new things, he loves that he now loves what he used to hate, and last year was the happiest of his life because of these five reversals.
  • Sivers explains his core operating philosophy: finding things out 'in fact, not in theory' by throwing himself into experiments, accepting he'll mess up because his baseline happiness lets him absorb the hits.
  • He admits the marriage that resulted from his 'say yes' experiment was awful and recognized as a mistake within days, but says he's happy he did it because he learned in fact rather than wondering.
  • He unpacks Rich Hickey's 'Simple Made Easy' distinction: complex means braided/intertwined with other things (objective), while easy means near-at-hand (subjective), and you should choose simple even when it's harder.
  • He recounts Tyler Cowen's Bloomberg piece on Satoshi as a masterpiece of if-then reasoning, where every possible identity for Bitcoin's inventor yields a profound lesson about people, secrecy, and failed projects.
  • Sivers reveals why he travels: not to see sights or take photos, but to inhabit philosophies and embody living ways of thinking like Brazilian-ism or Arab generosity.
  • He closes by revealing Useful Not True is sold only through his own website and deliberately not on Amazon because he dislikes the company.

Things worth remembering

  • An Emirati host pressured Sivers into trying Emirati coffee, which broke his lifelong dislike of coffee; he names the vendor 'Batel' in Dubai as one of only three places that make real Emirati coffee.
  • Sivers brings out his two pet rats, Cricket and Clover, noting their 2-3 year lifespan makes them ideal for kids and that they use a litter box and can be trained to fetch money from a wallet.
  • In Shanghai he was struck by silence because the vehicles are electric, plus color-coded rental bikes and tap-to-pay via Alipay/WeChat, completely reversing his 2010 impression of a rough, spitting China.
  • He describes Tamashee (tamashee.com), a Dubai sandal store run by Mohammed Kazim that is secretly a vehicle for teaching Arab culture, comparing it to San Francisco's pirate-supply storefront on Valencia Street.
  • Kazim told Sivers his family keeps recorded family history going back roughly 1,800 years, to before Islam arrived around the year 600.
  • Sivers is building a 4x8-meter dream home north of Wellington with nothing inside, following Stewart Brand's How Buildings Learn principle of leaving all pipes and wires exposed so they're easy to change.
  • He cites Neil Strauss's book Emergency, where a man brags about a complex tax setup to save 30% and Strauss asks why he wouldn't just work 30% harder to make 30% more.
  • Sivers built incword.com, a system that splits a finished book into individual sentences, pays translators escalating rates (50 cents to $2+) per sentence, and uses reader votes to decide which translation wins.
  • He became fluent in Esperanto six years ago on Benny Lewis's advice and regrets it, calling Esperanto 'hippie Klingon' after a Seoul conference full of tie-dye-clad people singing about world peace.
  • A Saudi acquaintance he'd met once told Sivers to cancel his hotel and stay in his Burj Khalifa apartment in Dubai, sending an uncle with the keys though the host himself wasn't even there, illustrating Arab generosity.

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