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Tim Ferriss · 2020-04-29 · 1h 25m

The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!

Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose drink wine and riff on quarantine life, books, investing, anxiety, and binge-watching during early COVID-19.

The Random Show: Boozy Quarantine Edition!
The guest

Kevin Rose — Kevin Rose is a serial entrepreneur, investor at True Ventures, and Tim Ferriss's longtime friend and co-host of The Random Show. He joins Tim for this live, boozy quarantine-edition conversation.

The gist

In this live 'Boozy Quarantine Edition' of The Random Show, Tim Ferriss and Kevin Rose drink wine and check in during the early weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic. They open with empathy for listeners facing layoffs, illness, and isolation, then range across book recommendations, investing philosophy, learning to code, and how they're coping psychologically. Both open up candidly about anxiety, fear for aging parents, and emotional vulnerability, with Tim describing unexplained nighttime anxiety and Kevin worried about being there for his daughters. Lighter segments cover pandemic routines, home workouts, what they're streaming (Tiger King, Ozark, Formula 1), and audience Q&A taken live from the comments. They close with heartfelt parting words urging viewers to take the crisis seriously, wear masks, help neighbors, and go easy on themselves.

Big reveals

  • Tim says he has lost about 15 pounds in four weeks of quarantine, partly from being under duress and forgetting to eat, plus anxiety dreams and nightmares for the first time in years.
  • Kevin lays out his three-step plan for recovery: aggressively test everyone, give antibody-confirmed recovered people a green light to return to work, and do aggressive contact tracing for future flare-ups.
  • Tim opens up about high-level anxiety he can't fully explain, tracing it to unprocessed childhood issues rather than current security, since financially he is in a good position.
  • Kevin observes Tim has 'softened' and become more emotionally open over the decade they've known each other, and Tim agrees he's taken off his armor and become more porous and permeable.
  • Kevin shares his deepest fear is not dying but not being there to talk to and guide his daughters through their formative years.
  • Tim cites Mister Rogers' line that 'anything that is human is mentionable and anything that is mentionable is manageable' as his most helpful coping tool.
  • Kevin reveals Zoom's webinar plan for 10,000 people cost $10,000, so they instead got CEO Eric Yuan to set up the live stream for them.

Things worth remembering

  • Kevin recommends the 'Bogleheads' Guide to Investing' and explains index investing, named after Vanguard founder John Bogle, as a reliable long-term strategy that outperforms most hedge funds.
  • Tim recommends Joel Greenblatt's investing books and notes Greenblatt told him to read them in reverse publication order, oldest last.
  • Kevin says he's coping by listening to Peter Attia's podcast The Drive, which converted into a resource on the latest coronavirus research.
  • Tim states he is optimistic about therapeutics for COVID-19 but pessimistic about vaccine development, saying a 12-month vaccine would be a world record.
  • They cite real penalty examples: the Philippines president said lockdown violators could be shot, Spain fines up to $30,000, and the UK fines just 30 pounds.
  • Tim recommends the Fitbod app for free-weight and bodyweight workouts and credits Peloton as his main cardio, while disclosing he owns Peloton stock.
  • Kevin recounts social-engineering Tim's Peloton login from Tim's assistant, who emailed him the full account password.
  • Tim recommends fiction including Ted Chiang's 'Exhalation,' Frank Herbert's 'Dune,' James Clavell's 'Shogun,' and John Crowley's 'Little, Big.'
  • Tim recommends Matthew Walker's 'Why We Sleep' and says he uses low-dose melatonin and magnesium (Magtein) for sleep.
  • Tim recommends 'The Lessons of History' by Will and Ariel Durant, which condenses 10,000 pages of documentation into roughly 120 pages for perspective.

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