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Lex Fridman · 2021-05-14 · 2h 20m

Po-Shen Loh: Mathematics, Math Olympiad, Combinatorics & Contact Tracing | Lex Fridman Podcast #183

Math Olympiad coach Po-Shen Loh explains how to teach invention, why hard problems are beautiful, and his incentive-aligned approach to stopping pandemics.

Po-Shen Loh: Mathematics, Math Olympiad, Combinatorics & Contact Tracing | Lex Fridman Podcast #183
The guest

Po-Shen Loh — Carnegie Mellon mathematics professor and national coach of the USA International Math Olympiad team. Founder of the education platform Expii and the privacy-first contact-tracing app NOVID.

The gist

Po-Shen Loh joins Lex Fridman to discuss the beauty of mathematics, the art of teaching invention rather than memorization, and the Math Olympiad. A large part of the conversation covers his NOVID app, which reframes contact tracing around network distance and self-interested incentives so people protect themselves rather than being forced into quarantine. They dig into combinatorics, voting trees, distributed algorithms, P vs NP, and how aligning individual incentives can solve coordination problems. Loh closes on a personal metric of meaning: maximizing the person-years of impact that outlast his own life.

Big reveals

  • Loh and his team 'accidentally discovered a new way to control diseases' while building NOVID with network theory and smartphones.
  • The core insight: measure distance to a disease not in feet or seconds but in how many close physical relationships separate you from it.
  • Counterintuitive claim that the deadlier and more transmissible a disease, the stronger people's incentive to adopt the app.
  • Standard contact-tracing apps barely lower YOUR own chance of getting sick, which is why they fail; NOVID flips the incentive to self-protection.
  • Loh's exams are 90% of the grade and 100% invention, with zero overlap with anything he taught or previously asked.
  • As head coach he told the Math Olympiad leadership he'd accept worse results, aiming instead to maximize students he'd read about in the New York Times in 20 years.
  • His personal meaning metric: maximize person-years of impact that matter after he is gone, even if not attributed to him.

Things worth remembering

  • Loh's high-school games drew every pixel and letter from scratch in Pascal, using assembly code copied from a book to plot a single pixel.
  • With only ~8 billion people and linear-time algorithms, NOVID can recompute everyone's disease distance hourly on a small cloud machine.
  • Real social networks are sparse; tracking a person's top ~100 connections captures most of the signal.
  • At the IMO you have 4.5 hours for 3 problems per day; solving even one of the six earns an honorable mention.
  • Loh reads math textbooks by checking the proof's length, closing the book, and re-proving it himself, since length is roughly linear in number of insights.
  • Among 1024 candidates there's always one who beats at least 512 others, provable via a simple expected-value double-counting argument.
  • His simple new method for solving quadratic equations may make it into textbooks, raising his 'impact score'.
  • Loh notes Scott Aaronson puts the probability that P does not equal NP at only about three percent.

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