Stanford addiction expert Anna Lembke explains how digital media and AI hijack the brain's dopamine system, and how to reset it in four weeks.

Dr. Anna Lembke — Psychiatrist, chief of the Stanford Addiction Clinic, and a world-leading expert on dopamine. Author of the bestselling book Dopamine Nation.
Returning for a second conversation, Dr. Anna Lembke explains how living in a world of abundance stresses brains evolved for scarcity, making compulsive overconsumption the 'modern plague.' She walks through the pleasure-pain balance model of neuroadaptation, showing how addictive substances and behaviors flood the reward pathway with dopamine and drive the brain into a chronic dopamine-deficit state. A large part of the discussion focuses on the 'drugification of human connection' through social media, dating apps, pornography, and now AI chatbots designed to flatter and validate users, with particular alarm about the impact on children. Lembke offers practical recovery tools: a four-week dopamine fast to reset reward pathways, doing hard things first, self-binding strategies, habit stacking, and radical honesty. She also covers moderation versus abstinence, addiction's genetic risk, and how recovery restores empathy and agency.
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