Sam Harris teaches Huberman that meditation's deepest aim isn't changing consciousness but seeing through the illusion of the self.

Sam Harris — Neuroscientist (UCLA PhD), philosopher, author, and host of the Making Sense podcast. Creator of the Waking Up meditation app and a prominent public intellectual on consciousness, meditation, and free will.
Andrew Huberman and Sam Harris go deep on what meditation can actually accomplish, distinguishing its familiar benefits (focus, lower stress) from its deeper promise: recognizing that the felt sense of a self behind one's experience is an illusion. Harris frames meditation as non-distraction and a recognition of the non-dual nature of consciousness, illustrated through analogies to the optic blind spot, visual saccades, and bi-stable percepts. They explore the development of the self in childhood, free will as an illusion, time perception and 'frame rate' changes, and how negative emotions dissipate when observed mindfully. Harris also discusses psychedelics (MDMA, LSD, psilocybin) as gateways that proved to him there was an inner landscape worth exploring, and closes with a candid account of why he deleted his Twitter account.
Books, products and media the guest or host genuinely endorsed here — with the buy link.
Affiliate link — we may earn a commission at no extra cost to you.
Sam Harris
“the Waking Up app is one that I've used for some period of time now and find very, very useful. I have family members that also use it.” — Andrew Huberman 00:03:08Find it on Amazon
Sam Harris
“Please also check out his incredible podcast, the making sense podcast. And you can find any number of Sam Harris's different books” — Andrew Huberman 04:18:57Find it on Amazon